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Mdparamo78 · Senior Member

RE: Play with Jesus as a gay man

artferrand · Senior Member

This is so wrong. how dare to make a play insulting god like that.

artferrand · Senior Member

JosephAmato wrote:
meganorr wrote:

But the bible was written by men, how do we REALLY know its Gods word, after all aren't all people full of sin? and you trust what they wrote down?

They were his disiples and they witnessed what happened. and they wrote it all dopne. Yes it has been proven to be right.

exactly and the disiples were not just ramdom people writing Gods live, they were HIS disiples chosen by him.

JosephAmato · Senior Member

artferrand wrote:

JosephAmato wrote:

meganorr wrote:

But the bible was written by men, how do we REALLY know its Gods word, after all aren't all people full of sin? and you trust what they wrote down?

They were his disiples and they witnessed what happened. and they wrote it all dopne. Yes it has been proven to be right.

exactly and the disiples were not just ramdom people writing Gods live, they were HIS disiples chosen by him.

Yeah, they weren't just random people.

stephaniemarie · Guru

This goes back to what we have discussed before. We do not know for sure that what is in the Bible is God's actual words, but we believe it because there doesn't seem like any reason why the people who wrote it would lie about it. I believe it, some people might not. BUT, this article is about a church putting on a play that is portraying Jesus as a gay man. He wasn't gay, if He was then there would not be all this criticism pointed toward gays(which i think is just awful and childish). I just question this church for putting on the play. Why build Jesus up to be something that he is not? If people do not like gays now, they will definetly not like them after hearing about this play. I think they are trying to reach out to people to show them that being gay is not wrong, but this is the wrong way to do it. I just disagree with it.

Mdparamo78 · Senior Member

We not be able to scientifically prove that the Bible is god's word but we can prove it through faith.

jallen · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

Some historical events have been proven, but not God or that everything in the bible is true. Umm..wasn't most of the bible written not by his disciples but long after he was dead?

Considering the Old Testament contains 39 books and was written prior to the time of Jesus, and the New Testament contains 27 books... no. The last book in the Old Testament was written somewhere around 400 years prior to the birth of Jesus. It can also be proven that the New Testament was written within 70-100 A.D.

So in effect, the New Testament was written (fairly) immediately following the death of Jesus.

I agree that "some historical events have been proven, but not God or that everything in the bible is true," in that it can be proven that Jesus and his disciples existed.

But I do take issue with this:

"How can you even say you know him personally. I really am just curious i don't understand that. DO you know his favorite color, food, animal, all that stuff like you do with close friends or people you know? What makes you "know" him besides prayer which is even more confusing because its a one way conversation. Curious..."

I don't know if this makes me crazy or what, but I wholeheartedly believe that prayer is not a "one way conversation". I personally felt God put it on my heart to go to a foreign country on a missions trip, and so two friends and I wound up going this past summer by ourselves to Paraguay.

To know a "favorite color, food, animal", etc. covers only the shallowest of topics. A relationship with God, in my mind, is a much more intimate connection. I honestly don't care about any of that stuff (food, color, animal). The Bible tells us what God wants from us and what He has given us; is that not sufficient? Do we truly need to know if He prefers lasagna or pizza? I know God personally. Perhaps I don't know him as well as I would like, but to say I don't know him would be a lie.

To quote my favorite author, Dallas Willard, "Being close to God means communicating with him, and this communication is a two-way streettelling him what is on our hearts in prayer and hearing and understanding what he is saying to us." I have felt this and am 100 percent confident that I know God personally. I by no means know Him as well as He know me, but I know him nonetheless.

meganorr · Senior Member

Jallen, i UNDERSTAND where youre coming from but i cant say it makes sense to me. and i used shallow things on purpose, to explain that yea, you can read about him but you cant actually get an answer. er atleast for me i dont believe so. Which is why i view prayer as a one way conversation.

and sean, i said i read it wrong. no point in trying to debate with me. :D i agree.

meganorr · Senior Member

JosephAmato wrote:

artferrand wrote:

JosephAmato wrote:

meganorr wrote:

But the bible was written by men, how do we REALLY know its Gods word, after all aren't all people full of sin? and you trust what they wrote down?

They were his disiples and they witnessed what happened. and they wrote it all dopne. Yes it has been proven to be right.

exactly and the disiples were not just ramdom people writing Gods live, they were HIS disiples chosen by him.

Yeah, they weren't just random people.

so? not being random does not make them right.

artferrand · Senior Member

KingsFanAshley wrote:
Have any of you guys MET Jesus??? No one here has yet, no, so therefore there's no way to know exactly what his outlook on the situation.

In the same way you "know" you love someone, We cannot physically see love, and yet we know it exists: we recognize the signs that mark it. In the same way, one can see the signs which mark God. and for that to me i dont have to physically know him to say that i understand the "situation"

artferrand · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:
JosephAmato wrote:

artferrand wrote:

JosephAmato wrote:

meganorr wrote:

But the bible was written by men, how do we REALLY know its Gods word, after all aren't all people full of sin? and you trust what they wrote down?

They were his disiples and they witnessed what happened. and they wrote it all dopne. Yes it has been proven to be right.

exactly and the disiples were not just ramdom people writing Gods live, they were HIS disiples chosen by him.

Yeah, they weren't just random people.

so? not being random does not make them right.

That is up to you if you believe they were right or not, you will never have the FACT that they were right but i believe it based on my faith but thats just me.

meganorr · Senior Member

oh and jallen, the most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century. (new testament) where did you find that it was written so close to his death? everything i look up says that ^

meganorr · Senior Member

artferrand wrote:

meganorr wrote:

JosephAmato wrote:

artferrand wrote:

JosephAmato wrote:

meganorr wrote:

But the bible was written by men, how do we REALLY know its Gods word, after all aren't all people full of sin? and you trust what they wrote down?

They were his disiples and they witnessed what happened. and they wrote it all dopne. Yes it has been proven to be right.

exactly and the disiples were not just ramdom people writing Gods live, they were HIS disiples chosen by him.

Yeah, they weren't just random people.

so? not being random does not make them right.

That is up to you if you believe they were right or not, you will never have the FACT that they were right but i believe it based on my faith but thats just me.

yea thats my point :) there is no fact, except that he was alive and crucified. faith, well thats a different story, and a work in progress.

meganorr · Senior Member

artferrand wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:
Have any of you guys MET Jesus??? No one here has yet, no, so therefore there's no way to know exactly what his outlook on the situation.

In the same way you "know" you love someone, We cannot physically see love, and yet we know it exists: we recognize the signs that mark it. In the same way, one can see the signs which mark God. and for that to me i dont have to physically know him to say that i understand the "situation"

well we know we love people because our brains give off certain chemicals and endorphins and it causes a lot of reactions in your body, science backed up. (crazy huh!) but youre right, cannot physically "see" it .

artferrand · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:
artferrand wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:
Have any of you guys MET Jesus??? No one here has yet, no, so therefore there's no way to know exactly what his outlook on the situation.

In the same way you "know" you love someone, We cannot physically see love, and yet we know it exists: we recognize the signs that mark it. In the same way, one can see the signs which mark God. and for that to me i dont have to physically know him to say that i understand the "situation"

well we know we love people because our brains give off certain chemicals and endorphins and it causes a lot of reactions in your body, science backed up. (crazy huh!) but youre right, cannot physically "see" it .

ya i know:) i used the example of love to give an example that you dont have physically see it to believe it

meganorr · Senior Member

gooood example. no sarcasm.

Carolanne_Hunt · Senior Member

Ok i'm not really religious but even i think this is kind of wrong. I can totally see how gay acceptance is pushing the envelope here. I mean this can really offend alot of Christians.

jallen · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

oh and jallen, the most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century. (new testament) where did you find that it was written so close to his death? everything i look up says that ^

The Bible was written from ~1450 B.C. to ~90 A.D.... I'm not sure what you mean. Perhaps you are referring to when the canon of the Bible was put together? That, I believe, was something like ~200-400 A.D. But the books themselves were WRITTEN before, during and immediately following the life of Jesus. And since that's the issue at hand, I'm not sure I see the problem.

meganorr · Senior Member

Well I know the oldest written documents found were from 300 years after he died....?

DerChancellorJake · Guru

meganorr wrote:

Some historical events have been proven, but not God or that everything in the bible is true. Umm..wasn't most of the bible written not by his disciples but long after he was dead?

Correct. But in case you didn't notice, the only books dealing with what Jesus did while he was on earth are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The books after are the events that took place after. So it is logical that they would come afterwards. And even though books were written after he died, they are still God-breathed, or inspired, so it is God dictating to the writerswhat to put in it.

seanmichaeljreeves · Senior Member

DiiDee66 wrote:

meganorr wrote:

a gay man PLAYED his part. acting..... its not obvious actually. What do you think they made a Jesus wearing high heels parading around in some dress? nooo, it was just some guy ACTING. The man might have been gay, doesn't mean they were saying Jesus is.

Okay the guy was gay, but the producers understood how "contreversial" it would be. If it did not matter if the man was gay or not then why did they present it? By the producers underlighting, highlighting, and bolding his homosexuality and then tagged it onto Christ's name is also disrespectful to me.

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Thursday 12th of November 2009 06:51:44 PM
Concise and well stated. You've made an important point : )

seanmichaeljreeves · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

Jallen, i UNDERSTAND where youre coming from but i cant say it makes sense to me. and i used shallow things on purpose, to explain that yea, you can read about him but you cant actually get an answer. er atleast for me i dont believe so. Which is why i view prayer as a one way conversation.

and sean, i said i read it wrong. no point in trying to debate with me. :D i agree.

No worries. I understand. I occasionally do that too : )

-- Edited by seanmichaeljreeves on Saturday 14th of November 2009 04:31:13 AM

jallen · Senior Member

The earliest complete manuscript of the New Testament is from somewhere around 350 A.D. But fragments have been found dating from ~130 A.D., and experts acknowledge that this indicates the New Testament books were indeed written by people during Jesus' lifetime.

What you are referencing is what I already mentioned: the canonization of the Bible. The Bible as you and I know it (in book form) was not put together until at the earliest ~170 A.D. But the complete New Testament, containing all 27 books as it does today, was not canonized until sometime in the late 300's. (I'm too lazy to look up exactly when, but I'm pretty sure it was some time around 380 A.D.) In effect, the Bible itself was written well before it was, to oversimplify, "proofread" and edited. The canonization of the Bible did take quite some time, so that's why you won't find a complete Bible manuscript until the late 300's.

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

citlallycontreras wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

Of course we know his outlook, ho do we know him at all? The Bible. Now that may be difficult to understand if you don't believe in it, but his outlook is wrtitten plainly in that book.

i dont think the bible is a very reliable source to know what jesus was really like, thers no "book of jesus" in ther. its just his friends writing down what they remember about him, and the new testament was written years after jesus died, how do u know the disciples remember everything clearly?

What if your friends wanted to write about you? I think they might remember clearly the things you said, How you helped them out when they were sad or the times you guys have fun. But imagine how his disicples witnesses the miracles Jesus created, those things are unforgetable.

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Monday 16th of November 2009 03:00:02 AM

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

How can you even say you know him personally. I really am just curious i don't understand that. DO you know his favorite color, food, animal, all that stuff like you do with close friends or people you know? What makes you "know" him besides prayer which is even more confusing because its a one way conversation. Curious...

I do know him personally, he is not a friend but my saviour. His favorite colour, animal, food is meaningless between my realtionship with Him.

Prayer is a strong power that us humans are allowed by God.

First I was convinced God and Jesus were real and alive not by the words of man.

No matter how many times I read the Bible the words themselves are meaningless, unless I look deeper & think in non-human ways, but how can I do that if I am human? I pray, the God given power that gives me the chance to call upon God, in Jesus' name, for help for any and every pure thing.

Why would i keep talking outloud for no reason?

When I pray sincereley and purely a great feeling burns in my heart, something almost unbelievable. At first I don't understand, I am believeing something without facts and still I cannot deny it.

I believe in God and Jesus not because I am afraid or feel better about myself but because I simply know it is truth.

I just know. No man or woman convinced me by giving me a long speech, No miracle or catastrophe happened in my life to force me into belief.

I just prayed one night alone in my room, and forgot the world, all my worries and all my pride. I asked vulnerabely if this is true...is this real....is this right..is this what will make me happy?.

I did not hear voices, I did not see a bright light, I witnessed no miracle. I was peaceful and reassured. That was my only answer from God.

I know Jesus personally because I have prayed like this many times after. During these prayers, I learned what he wanted me to do, what to say at what time. He taught me to be selfless. He showed me what I was doing wrong. He urged me to speak truthfully. He promised me happiness and showed me what real hapiness was.

From this He showed his love for me, His personal goals for me. We have held a long converstation, going both ways.

I by asking and showing gratitude to all He has given me, from the bread on the table to my health to my tiny family, and by Him doing his part by blessing my small family and revealing truths (some that might be hard for me to accept).

And it goes on for twenty four hours a day seven days a week and probably until the day I can finally talk to him face to face.

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Monday 16th of November 2009 05:46:23 AM

alison abuhamad · Senior Member

i think its really wrong to potray God as a gay man but what can you do people can potray God as anything they want to and its not really a crime to portary as gay, its just going to offened alot of people

KaileyLemieux · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

How can you even say you know him personally. I really am just curious i don't understand that. DO you know his favorite color, food, animal, all that stuff like you do with close friends or people you know? What makes you "know" him besides prayer which is even more confusing because its a one way conversation. Curious...

I can understand that it's hard for someone to comprehend having a relationship with God if you've never experienced it. But prayer is so far from a one way conversation. God is constantly purusing us and trying to talk to us but it's up to us to be open and commited to him. I've had a relationship with God basically my whole life, and I can't imagine living any other way and having to deal with the problems I've run into in life without him by my side. Even when I'm not praying or talking to God, I know that his grace and mercy are with me every minute of every day.

I hope my answer didn't freak you out at all but I can understand if it still doesn't make sense to you.

veronica_veracious · Veteran Member

After reading this I am really interested in seeing this play. So jesus is a gay man. No one can factually say 100% that jesus is a heterosexual man or homosexual for that matter. If someone really loved jesus they would love him if he was gay or straight. If it really bothered someone that he was gay than they aren't actually true lovers of jesus. Not that I would know. I don't "know" him.

meganorr · Senior Member

jallen wrote:

The earliest complete manuscript of the New Testament is from somewhere around 350 A.D. But fragments have been found dating from ~130 A.D., and experts acknowledge that this indicates the New Testament books were indeed written by people during Jesus' lifetime.

What you are referencing is what I already mentioned: the canonization of the Bible. The Bible as you and I know it (in book form) was not put together until at the earliest ~170 A.D. But the complete New Testament, containing all 27 books as it does today, was not canonized until sometime in the late 300's. (I'm too lazy to look up exactly when, but I'm pretty sure it was some time around 380 A.D.) In effect, the Bible itself was written well before it was, to oversimplify, "proofread" and edited. The canonization of the Bible did take quite some time, so that's why you won't find a complete Bible manuscript until the late 300's.

thanks for clearing that up :) its so hard to find information! (correct information i should say)

meganorr · Senior Member

DerChancellorJake wrote:

meganorr wrote:

Some historical events have been proven, but not God or that everything in the bible is true. Umm..wasn't most of the bible written not by his disciples but long after he was dead?

Correct. But in case you didn't notice, the only books dealing with what Jesus did while he was on earth are Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. The books after are the events that took place after. So it is logical that they would come afterwards. And even though books were written after he died, they are still God-breathed, or inspired, so it is God dictating to the writerswhat to put in it.

Hmm I'm not sure if I agree on the whole god inspired thing. But I do understand, there is just A LOT of controversial information about the bible.

meganorr · Senior Member

DiiDee66 wrote:

meganorr wrote:

How can you even say you know him personally. I really am just curious i don't understand that. DO you know his favorite color, food, animal, all that stuff like you do with close friends or people you know? What makes you "know" him besides prayer which is even more confusing because its a one way conversation. Curious...

I do know him personally, he is not a friend but my saviour. His favorite colour, animal, food is meaningless between my realtionship with Him.
Prayer is a strong power that us humans are allowed by God.

First I was convinced God and Jesus were real and alive not by the words of man.

No matter how many times I read the Bible the words themselves are meaningless, unless I look deeper & think in non-human ways, but how can I do that if I am human? I pray, the God given power that gives me the chance to call upon God, in Jesus' name, for help for any and every pure thing.

Why would i keep talking outloud for no reason?

When I pray sincereley and purely a great feeling burns in my heart, something almost unbelievable. At first I don't understand, I am believeing something without facts and still I cannot deny it.

I believe in God and Jesus not because I am afraid or feel better about myself but because I simply know it is truth.

I just know. No man or woman convinced me by giving me a long speech, No miracle or catastrophe happened in my life to force me into belief.

I just prayed one night alone in my room, and forgot the world, all my worries and all my pride. I asked vulnerabely if this is true...is this real....is this right..is this what will make me happy?.

I did not hear voices, I did not see a bright light, I witnessed no miracle. I was peaceful and reassured. That was my only answer from God.

I know Jesus personally because I have prayed like this many times after. During these prayers, I learned what he wanted me to do, what to say at what time. He taught me to be selfless. He showed me what I was doing wrong. He urged me to speak truthfully. He promised me happiness and showed me what real hapiness was.

From this He showed his love for me, His personal goals for me. We have held a long converstation, going both ways.

I by asking and showing gratitude to all He has given me, from the bread on the table to my health to my tiny family, and by Him doing his part by blessing my small family and revealing truths (some that might be hard for me to accept).

And it goes on for twenty four hours a day seven days a week and probably until the day I can finally talk to him face to face.

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Monday 16th of November 2009 05:46:23 AM

Well thats good for you that you found that (no sarcasm). I just can't agree.

meganorr · Senior Member

jallen wrote:

meganorr wrote:

oh and jallen, the most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century. (new testament) where did you find that it was written so close to his death? everything i look up says that ^

The Bible was written from ~1450 B.C. to ~90 A.D.... I'm not sure what you mean. Perhaps you are referring to when the canon of the Bible was put together? That, I believe, was something like ~200-400 A.D. But the books themselves were WRITTEN before, during and immediately following the life of Jesus. And since that's the issue at hand, I'm not sure I see the problem.

oh, another question! How de we know they were actually written then if they don't have the original documents? Just the ones from 300 years after...I don't really know much about the actually writing of the Bible. But I've read a lot and its confusing.

JosephAmato · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

jallen wrote:

The earliest complete manuscript of the New Testament is from somewhere around 350 A.D. But fragments have been found dating from ~130 A.D., and experts acknowledge that this indicates the New Testament books were indeed written by people during Jesus' lifetime.

What you are referencing is what I already mentioned: the canonization of the Bible. The Bible as you and I know it (in book form) was not put together until at the earliest ~170 A.D. But the complete New Testament, containing all 27 books as it does today, was not canonized until sometime in the late 300's. (I'm too lazy to look up exactly when, but I'm pretty sure it was some time around 380 A.D.) In effect, the Bible itself was written well before it was, to oversimplify, "proofread" and edited. The canonization of the Bible did take quite some time, so that's why you won't find a complete Bible manuscript until the late 300's.

thanks for clearing that up :) its so hard to find information! (correct information i should say)

But see , its correct information to you! not to everyone else :)

nancymclaren · Senior Member

DiiDee66 wrote:

citlallycontreras wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

Of course we know his outlook, ho do we know him at all? The Bible. Now that may be difficult to understand if you don't believe in it, but his outlook is wrtitten plainly in that book.

i dont think the bible is a very reliable source to know what jesus was really like, thers no "book of jesus" in ther. its just his friends writing down what they remember about him, and the new testament was written years after jesus died, how do u know the disciples remember everything clearly?

What if your friends wanted to write about you? I think they might remember clearly the things you said, How you helped them out when they were sad or the times you guys have fun. But imagine how his disicples witnesses the miracles Jesus created, those things are unforgetable.

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Monday 16th of November 2009 03:00:02 AM

Just for sake of argument, if there was a book about my life I think I (or my friends) would embellish things from time to time to make it interesting.

jallen · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

jallen wrote:

meganorr wrote:

oh and jallen, the most ancient complete manuscripts (Vatican MS. No. 1209 and the Sinaitic Syriac Codex) date from the fourth century. (new testament) where did you find that it was written so close to his death? everything i look up says that ^

The Bible was written from ~1450 B.C. to ~90 A.D.... I'm not sure what you mean. Perhaps you are referring to when the canon of the Bible was put together? That, I believe, was something like ~200-400 A.D. But the books themselves were WRITTEN before, during and immediately following the life of Jesus. And since that's the issue at hand, I'm not sure I see the problem.

oh, another question! How de we know they were actually written then if they don't have the original documents? Just the ones from 300 years after...I don't really know much about the actually writing of the Bible. But I've read a lot and its confusing.

Historians were able to date books such as John back to (somewhere around) 70 A.D., I believe. I may have posted it earlier but I honestly can't remember. Complete manuscripts of the New Testament AS WE KNOW IT TODAY (*edit* just to clarify, i mean the 27 books that make up the NT) were found 300+ years following the death of Jesus. Fragments of the New Testament, however, were around before that.

Like I said, the documents that were found 300 some odd years later=the New Testament. The books themselves=already existed, but had not been expressly chosen (canonized) to be placed in the New Testament.

-- Edited by jallen on Tuesday 17th of November 2009 03:26:28 AM

jallen · Senior Member

nancymclaren wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

citlallycontreras wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

Of course we know his outlook, ho do we know him at all? The Bible. Now that may be difficult to understand if you don't believe in it, but his outlook is wrtitten plainly in that book.

i dont think the bible is a very reliable source to know what jesus was really like, thers no "book of jesus" in ther. its just his friends writing down what they remember about him, and the new testament was written years after jesus died, how do u know the disciples remember everything clearly?

What if your friends wanted to write about you? I think they might remember clearly the things you said, How you helped them out when they were sad or the times you guys have fun. But imagine how his disicples witnesses the miracles Jesus created, those things are unforgetable.

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Monday 16th of November 2009 03:00:02 AM

Just for sake of argument, if there was a book about my life I think I (or my friends) would embellish things from time to time to make it interesting.

That's where the belief that the Bible is the "inspired Word of God" comes into play. As Christians, we believe that God specifically chose these individuals (the authors of the Bible) to convey His message to the laymen. While I understand your doubts regarding whether or not the authors perhaps stretched the truth, or lied altogether, for that matter, I don't believe this is the case. The fact that there are 40 individuals credited with writing books of the Bible proves to me that it is not merely one man, or even a small group of men, creating some sort of fantastical story. There were also books left out of the Bible after the canonization of it was complete, but I'm not sure how many other authors may have been excluded.

But when it really comes down to it, this whole argument relies on faith---putting yourself in an uncomfortable situation with no guarantees of "compensation", for lack of a better term. No matter how hard we as Christians try to justify their beliefs with so-called "proof" that certain biblical claims are indeed true, it all boils down on the individual's capacity to attain (and maintain) faith in God. Thus, I believe that the Word of God is true and applicable to my life.

jallen · Senior Member

veronica_veracious wrote:

After reading this I am really interested in seeing this play. So jesus is a gay man. No one can factually say 100% that jesus is a heterosexual man or homosexual for that matter. If someone really loved jesus they would love him if he was gay or straight. If it really bothered someone that he was gay than they aren't actually true lovers of jesus. Not that I would know. I don't "know" him.

I apologize for the triple post haha. While you make a valid argument that "No one can factually say 100% that Jesus is a heterosexual man or homosexual for that matter," I'm inclined to disagree. Your statement that we do not know for a fact that Jesus was not a homosexual is understandable, because if we are looking for concrete evidence that he was not (by concrete I am referring to scientific evidence, as most people would desire), then you are correct. But I referenced this in my previous post: It all comes down to faith. And in believing that the Bible is truly God-inspired, then we as Christians believe it is true.

If the Word of God is true, then homosexuality is deemed a sin. Jesus was also said to be sinless, and thus his crucifixion was atonement for the sins of man. So by this account, it is impossible for Jesus Christ to have been homosexual. Again, I understand this is not the "concrete" evidence that so many people desire, but it's a matter of faith.

JosephAmato · Senior Member

nancymclaren wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

citlallycontreras wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

Of course we know his outlook, ho do we know him at all? The Bible. Now that may be difficult to understand if you don't believe in it, but his outlook is wrtitten plainly in that book.

i dont think the bible is a very reliable source to know what jesus was really like, thers no "book of jesus" in ther. its just his friends writing down what they remember about him, and the new testament was written years after jesus died, how do u know the disciples remember everything clearly?

What if your friends wanted to write about you? I think they might remember clearly the things you said, How you helped them out when they were sad or the times you guys have fun. But imagine how his disicples witnesses the miracles Jesus created, those things are unforgetable.

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Monday 16th of November 2009 03:00:02 AM

Just for sake of argument, if there was a book about my life I think I (or my friends) would embellish things from time to time to make it interesting.

but see you are just an ordinary person, Jesus wasnt.