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veronica_veracious · Veteran Member

Argentine Gay Couple Granted Marriage License

stephaniemarie · Guru

It definetly goes against equality of people. Gays are not being equally represented if they are denied the right to marry the person that they want because they are of the same sex. I think that the pursuit of happiness should include the right to marry anyONE(not animals) because everyone deserves to be happy. If a man is made happy by another man then they should be allowed to get married.

Kommandant_Karl · Guru

No it doesn't. No where in the constitution is it specified that we have that right. And that does not include the pursuit of happiness.

DerChancellorJake · Guru

No it does not violate our constitution. No, in case you didnt know, the "pursuit of happiness" was substituted in for the term "property" because if the Founders said that people had the right to property, then people would start demanding property. So they substituted "pursuit of happiness" for "property" because people of the time equated property with happiness. And the pursuit of happiness means different things. If someone was happy when they kill someone, should we allow them to do it just because it makes them happy? No.

jaquelynn16 · Senior Member

no and no. thats all i am going to say

KingsFanAshley · Senior Member

It ABSOLUTELY violates the US Constitution.

The pursuit of happiness ABSOLUTELY SHOULD include the right to marry whomever makes one happy.

STOP THE HATE!!!

ruby_h · Veteran Member

Yes, gay people should be allowed to marry in all countries in my opinion. I don't see how it is harming me, anyone else, or society if we afford gay people the right to marry.

YGfamily · Senior Member

i just read about this. the latin american countries seem to be really turing around because the majority of the citizens are catholic and alllowing gay marraige without trying to appeal is a big step.

DerChancellorJake · Guru

KingsFanAshley wrote:

It ABSOLUTELY violates the US Constitution.

The pursuit of happiness ABSOLUTELY SHOULD include the right to marry whomever makes one happy.

STOP THE HATE!!!

See my above post. The founders intended it to mean property. And guess what? Can you tell me where in our Constitution that banning gay marriage is violating it?

Kommandant_Karl · Guru

KingsFanAshley wrote:

It ABSOLUTELY violates the US Constitution.

The pursuit of happiness ABSOLUTELY SHOULD include the right to marry whomever makes one happy.

STOP THE HATE!!!

Thats an opinion. You want it to be apart of the constitution but it is not. There is no violation.

Disclaimer: I do not hate

KingsFanAshley · Senior Member

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

I wish that the people who say this knew what actual hate and deprivation is.

stephaniemarie · Guru

I find it completely wrong how people can say that gays are not allowed to marry one another. Who cares if they do? They are not hurting anyone. It is not like they are out kissing all over each other and being innappropriate. They are not exposing themselves and being way too over the top with their relationship like straight couples sometimes do. If people are afraid of two gay men/women being together then that is something that I think they need to get over. I am terrified of snakes but I do not go crazy trying to ban people from having them as pets. It is just so wrong to me how people want to dictate the way that other people live their lives. It is THEIR life, not yours or mine or anyone else's.

stephaniemarie · Guru

DiiDee66 wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

I wish that the people who say this knew what actual hate and deprivation is.

In a way these people who are against hate are promoting hate. Some of the things they do and say about/towards gays is just ridiculous.

alison abuhamad · Senior Member

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

not neccasarlly its not hate when you disagree with something you dont belive in, why should somebody agree with something they dont belive in.

alison abuhamad · Senior Member

Im happy for those people who got granted there marriage licesnes i wish the same for america.

Kommandant_Karl · Guru

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

Not really, I just happen to not agree therefore I do not hate. Read Disclaimer.

DerChancellorJake · Guru

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

Lol, your statement makes me laugh. I dont support Obama, i must be promoting hate. I dont support Communism, i must be promoting hate. I dont support government healthcare, i must be promoting hate. I dont support the claims that global warming is man made, so i must be promoting hate. The list can go on and on. If i do not support gay marriage it does not necessarily mean that i hate everybody.

Kommandant_Karl · Guru

DerChancellorJake wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

Lol, your statement makes me laugh. I dont support Obama, i must be promoting hate. I dont support Communism, i must be promoting hate. I dont support government healthcare, i must be promoting hate. I dont support the claims that global warming is man made, so i must be promoting hate. The list can go on and on. If i do not support gay marriage it does not necessarily mean that i hate everybody.

nice example haha

KingsFanAshley · Senior Member

Kommandant_Karl wrote:

DerChancellorJake wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

Lol, your statement makes me laugh. I dont support Obama, i must be promoting hate. I dont support Communism, i must be promoting hate. I dont support government healthcare, i must be promoting hate. I dont support the claims that global warming is man made, so i must be promoting hate. The list can go on and on. If i do not support gay marriage it does not necessarily mean that i hate everybody.

nice example haha

Issues like that are completely unrelated. The fact that are you denying people the right to what would make them truly and completely happy is hateful. Why should you have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex, if that's what makes you happy, if they can't have the same type of satisfaction?

JosephAmato · Senior Member

DerChancellorJake wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

Lol, your statement makes me laugh. I dont support Obama, i must be promoting hate. I dont support Communism, i must be promoting hate. I dont support government healthcare, i must be promoting hate. I dont support the claims that global warming is man made, so i must be promoting hate. The list can go on and on. If i do not support gay marriage it does not necessarily mean that i hate everybody.

Good example! :) I dont see how not supporting somthing makes it promoting hate... makes no sence! :)

KingsFanAshley · Senior Member

JosephAmato wrote:

DerChancellorJake wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

Lol, your statement makes me laugh. I dont support Obama, i must be promoting hate. I dont support Communism, i must be promoting hate. I dont support government healthcare, i must be promoting hate. I dont support the claims that global warming is man made, so i must be promoting hate. The list can go on and on. If i do not support gay marriage it does not necessarily mean that i hate everybody.

Good example! :) I dont see how not supporting somthing makes it promoting hate... makes no sence! :)

See my previous post

stephaniemarie · Guru

Ashley's word choice may not have been the best, but I get what she is trying to say. The people that promote hatred towards gays are the ones who are against gays. There are many people who commit hate crimes against gays because of the fact that they do not believe in the way that they live. So basically, the people against gays will be the ones to start these hate crimes, not the people who are okayy with gays.

alison abuhamad · Senior Member

KingsFanAshley wrote:

Kommandant_Karl wrote:

DerChancellorJake wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

Lol, your statement makes me laugh. I dont support Obama, i must be promoting hate. I dont support Communism, i must be promoting hate. I dont support government healthcare, i must be promoting hate. I dont support the claims that global warming is man made, so i must be promoting hate. The list can go on and on. If i do not support gay marriage it does not necessarily mean that i hate everybody.

nice example haha

Issues like that are completely unrelated. The fact that are you denying people the right to what would make them truly and completely happy is hateful. Why should you have the right to marry someone of the opposite sex, if that's what makes you happy, if they can't have the same type of satisfaction?

i am also for gay marriage but i disagree with your statement, just because somebody is against gay marriage doesnt mean there promating hate, they just choose to not support something they dont beleive in. They most likely dont believe in gay marrige because of their religion or they dont belive its moral so how is that promating hate? what if somebody asked you to agree with something or do something that was against your morals, would you still consiter that promoting hate?

JosephAmato · Senior Member

KingsFanAshley wrote:

JosephAmato wrote:

DerChancellorJake wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

Lol, your statement makes me laugh. I dont support Obama, i must be promoting hate. I dont support Communism, i must be promoting hate. I dont support government healthcare, i must be promoting hate. I dont support the claims that global warming is man made, so i must be promoting hate. The list can go on and on. If i do not support gay marriage it does not necessarily mean that i hate everybody.

Good example! :) I dont see how not supporting somthing makes it promoting hate... makes no sence! :)

See my previous post

I understand where you are coming from, and thats what you believe in and thats fine :) I support whatever you believe but I just dont see how it is promoting hate :)

KingsFanAshley · Senior Member

stephaniemarie wrote:

Ashley's word choice may not have been the best, but I get what she is trying to say. The people that promote hatred towards gays are the ones who are against gays. There are many people who commit hate crimes against gays because of the fact that they do not believe in the way that they live. So basically, the people against gays will be the ones to start these hate crimes, not the people who are okayy with gays.

My point exactly. It's fine that one does not believe in gay marriage. The fact of the matter is that's their own personal decision. One does NOT have to participate in such an act if they don't feel it is right, but people who do choose to live that lifestyle should not be prevented because of other people's own moral or religious obligations.

USN Matt Elenbaas · Senior Member

DiiDee66 wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

I wish that the people who say this knew what actual hate and deprivation is.

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Umm, I think gay people do know what actual hate and deprivation is because there is Gay bashings and they arent allowed to marry each other.

KingsFanAshley · Senior Member

USN Matt Elenbaas wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

I wish that the people who say this knew what actual hate and deprivation is.

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Umm, I think gay people do know what actual hate and deprivation is because there is Gay bashings and they arent allowed to marry each other.

EXACTLY.

Yuuki R Bowen · Veteran Member

if the do get there marriage license the whole world would of gays would want to and after they have that what else would they want i mean seriously partnership is the same thing as marriage they just want the word marraige so if they get that what will happen then what more would they want?

meganorr · Senior Member

USN Matt Elenbaas wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

I wish that the people who say this knew what actual hate and deprivation is.

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Umm, I think gay people do know what actual hate and deprivation is because there is Gay bashings and they arent allowed to marry each other.

Just a few days ago some gay teenager was killed. :/ That stuff still happens

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

KingsFanAshley wrote:

USN Matt Elenbaas wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

I wish that the people who say this knew what actual hate and deprivation is.

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Umm, I think gay people do know what actual hate and deprivation is because there is Gay bashings and they arent allowed to marry each other.

EXACTLY.

You only THINK you know, which was my point.

meganorr · Senior Member

Yuuki R Bowen wrote:

if the do get there marriage license the whole world would of gays would want to and after they have that what else would they want i mean seriously partnership is the same thing as marriage they just want the word marraige so if they get that what will happen then what more would they want?

oh gosh run on sentence confusing..but to say they just want the "word" marriage is completely wrong. I'm pretty sure what they want is equality.

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

USN Matt Elenbaas wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

I wish that the people who say this knew what actual hate and deprivation is.

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Umm, I think gay people do know what actual hate and deprivation is because there is Gay bashings and they arent allowed to marry each other.

Just a few days ago some gay teenager was killed. :/ That stuff still happens

Of course this happens and that is absolute evil, btu how many times does this happen in racial tensions? How many times does this happen in countries where people can only dream of the clean streets we walk upon?

KingsFanAshley · Senior Member

Yuuki R Bowen wrote:

if the do get there marriage license the whole world would of gays would want to and after they have that what else would they want i mean seriously partnership is the same thing as marriage they just want the word marraige so if they get that what will happen then what more would they want?

On a personal level it is similar, but legally there are plenty of differences between a domestic partnership and marriage. While a domestic partnership may bear resemblance to a marriage, the California intermediate appellate court concluded that the legislature "has not created a 'marriage' by another name or granted domestic partners a status equivalent to married spouses." They cannot file joint state tax returns, and their earnings are not classified as community property for state tax purposes. Domestic partners do not have the protection of any statute or constitutional provision passed by citizen initiative. Opposite sex couples can't enter into a domestic partnership if they are over 62.

stephaniemarie · Guru

DiiDee66 wrote:

meganorr wrote:

USN Matt Elenbaas wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

I wish that the people who say this knew what actual hate and deprivation is.

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Umm, I think gay people do know what actual hate and deprivation is because there is Gay bashings and they arent allowed to marry each other.

Just a few days ago some gay teenager was killed. :/ That stuff still happens

Of course this happens and that is absolute evil, btu how many times does this happen in racial tensions? How many times does this happen in countries where people can only dream of the clean streets we walk upon?

The thing is that things like this are happening in our country right now because it is such a hot topic.

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

stephaniemarie wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

meganorr wrote:

USN Matt Elenbaas wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

I wish that the people who say this knew what actual hate and deprivation is.

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Umm, I think gay people do know what actual hate and deprivation is because there is Gay bashings and they arent allowed to marry each other.

Just a few days ago some gay teenager was killed. :/ That stuff still happens

Of course this happens and that is absolute evil, btu how many times does this happen in racial tensions? How many times does this happen in countries where people can only dream of the clean streets we walk upon?

The thing is that things like this are happening in our country right now because it is such a hot topic.

yes and what I'm talking about happens here too.

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Wednesday 18th of November 2009 06:52:33 PM

Yuuki R Bowen · Veteran Member

yes i really get that but what more would the want after they have that.And the whole purpose of marraige will never be the same. And if they do get it will marraige will it be different then?will marraige not mean that much anymore?

KingsFanAshley · Senior Member

Yuuki R Bowen wrote:

yes i really get that but what more would the want after they have that.And the whole purpose of marraige will never be the same. And if they do get it will marraige will it be different then?will marraige not mean that much anymore?

I think that if it provides them the exact same rights, the term "marriage" should be eliminated by the government and should be strictly a religious aspect. Everyone should have a domestic partnership if that's the way it's going to be, whatever it takes for fairness and equality.

stephaniemarie · Guru

DiiDee66 wrote:

stephaniemarie wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

meganorr wrote:

USN Matt Elenbaas wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

I wish that the people who say this knew what actual hate and deprivation is.

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Umm, I think gay people do know what actual hate and deprivation is because there is Gay bashings and they arent allowed to marry each other.

Just a few days ago some gay teenager was killed. :/ That stuff still happens

Of course this happens and that is absolute evil, btu how many times does this happen in racial tensions? How many times does this happen in countries where people can only dream of the clean streets we walk upon?

The thing is that things like this are happening in our country right now because it is such a hot topic.

yes and what I'm talking about happens hear too.

But things like this are not happening in such large numbers. There are not people marching around outside schools saying that being black is wrong. They are saying that being gay is wrong.

stephaniemarie · Guru

Yuuki R Bowen wrote:

yes i really get that but what more would the want after they have that.And the whole purpose of marraige will never be the same. And if they do get it will marraige will it be different then?will marraige not mean that much anymore?

Marriage will still be the same thing, it will just be between man&man and woman&woman now. It does not change anything. They will be bound by law and will be together because they love each other and make each other happy.

DerChancellorJake · Guru

stephaniemarie wrote:

Yuuki R Bowen wrote:

yes i really get that but what more would the want after they have that.And the whole purpose of marraige will never be the same. And if they do get it will marraige will it be different then?will marraige not mean that much anymore?

Marriage will still be the same thing, it will just be between man&man and woman&woman now. It does not change anything. They will be bound by law and will be together because they love each other and make each other happy.

Or.... maybe they could get a domestic partnership.

stephaniemarie · Guru

DerChancellorJake wrote:

stephaniemarie wrote:

Yuuki R Bowen wrote:

yes i really get that but what more would the want after they have that.And the whole purpose of marraige will never be the same. And if they do get it will marraige will it be different then?will marraige not mean that much anymore?

Marriage will still be the same thing, it will just be between man&man and woman&woman now. It does not change anything. They will be bound by law and will be together because they love each other and make each other happy.

Or.... maybe they could get a domestic partnership.

Why? Why a domestic partnership? Why can't they get married??

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

stephaniemarie wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

stephaniemarie wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

meganorr wrote:

USN Matt Elenbaas wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

I wish that the people who say this knew what actual hate and deprivation is.

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Umm, I think gay people do know what actual hate and deprivation is because there is Gay bashings and they arent allowed to marry each other.

Just a few days ago some gay teenager was killed. :/ That stuff still happens

Of course this happens and that is absolute evil, btu how many times does this happen in racial tensions? How many times does this happen in countries where people can only dream of the clean streets we walk upon?

The thing is that things like this are happening in our country right now because it is such a hot topic.

yes and what I'm talking about happens hear too.

But things like this are not happening in such large numbers. There are not people marching around outside schools saying that being black is wrong. They are saying that being gay is wrong.

It is and that's the problem here. Let's not compare this with the african american struggle STRUGGLE! Not goal.

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Wednesday 18th of November 2009 07:00:46 PM

stephaniemarie · Guru

DiiDee66 wrote:

stephaniemarie wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

stephaniemarie wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

meganorr wrote:

USN Matt Elenbaas wrote:

DiiDee66 wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

You don't support gay marriage. Therefore, you are promoting hate.

I wish that the people who say this knew what actual hate and deprivation is.

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Umm, I think gay people do know what actual hate and deprivation is because there is Gay bashings and they arent allowed to marry each other.

Just a few days ago some gay teenager was killed. :/ That stuff still happens

Of course this happens and that is absolute evil, btu how many times does this happen in racial tensions? How many times does this happen in countries where people can only dream of the clean streets we walk upon?

The thing is that things like this are happening in our country right now because it is such a hot topic.

yes and what I'm talking about happens hear too.

But things like this are not happening in such large numbers. There are not people marching around outside schools saying that being black is wrong. They are saying that being gay is wrong.

It is and that's the problem here. Let's not compare this with the african american struggle STRUGGLE! Not goal.

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Wednesday 18th of November 2009 07:00:46 PM

The fact of the matter is that gays are a target of hgate crimes and that is completely and utterly wrong.

nancymclaren · Senior Member

DerChancellorJake wrote:

stephaniemarie wrote:

DerChancellorJake wrote:

stephaniemarie wrote:

Yuuki R Bowen wrote:

yes i really get that but what more would the want after they have that.And the whole purpose of marraige will never be the same. And if they do get it will marraige will it be different then?will marraige not mean that much anymore?

Marriage will still be the same thing, it will just be between man&man and woman&woman now. It does not change anything. They will be bound by law and will be together because they love each other and make each other happy.

Or.... maybe they could get a domestic partnership.

Why? Why a domestic partnership? Why can't they get married??

Why do they need to be married? They can call it a marriage if they want to if it makes them happy on the inside but i do not want to marry someone and have it be held to the same standard

You don't have to marry them. You don't have to be anywhere near, you don't even have to know about it. And there for it would not hurt you. There are alot of things couples would miss out on because they aren't married. A domestic partnership sounds fine until you look into the facts about what your limited to doing. Like being considered family when your partner is in the hospital, joint taxes, and in the case your partner dies, you cant bury them.

-- Edited by MrsCavalluzzi on Friday 20th of November 2009 06:35:27 PM

ruby_h · Veteran Member

meganorr wrote:

Yuuki R Bowen wrote:

if the do get there marriage license the whole world would of gays would want to and after they have that what else would they want i mean seriously partnership is the same thing as marriage they just want the word marraige so if they get that what will happen then what more would they want?

oh gosh run on sentence confusing..but to say they just want the "word" marriage is completely wrong. I'm pretty sure what they want is equality.

I completely agree with Megan. Calling it a "domestic partnership" makes the union they are allowed inherently inferior - it's totally a "separate but equal" situation.

DerChancellorJake · Guru

i will decide to hold myself to the standards of Mrs. Cavalluzzi and not name call. Hope Cav doesnt get mad at you... she specifically said NOT TO NAMECALL.

Thank you. - Cav

-- Edited by MrsCavalluzzi on Friday 20th of November 2009 06:42:02 PM

-- Edited by MrsCavalluzzi on Friday 20th of November 2009 06:46:11 PM

meganorr · Senior Member

ruby_h wrote:

meganorr wrote:

Yuuki R Bowen wrote:

if the do get there marriage license the whole world would of gays would want to and after they have that what else would they want i mean seriously partnership is the same thing as marriage they just want the word marraige so if they get that what will happen then what more would they want?

oh gosh run on sentence confusing..but to say they just want the "word" marriage is completely wrong. I'm pretty sure what they want is equality.

I completely agree with Megan. Calling it a "domestic partnership" makes the union they are allowed inherently inferior - it's totally a "separate but equal" situation.

yayy! an intelligent person. :D

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

ruby_h wrote:

meganorr wrote:

Yuuki R Bowen wrote:

if the do get there marriage license the whole world would of gays would want to and after they have that what else would they want i mean seriously partnership is the same thing as marriage they just want the word marraige so if they get that what will happen then what more would they want?

oh gosh run on sentence confusing..but to say they just want the "word" marriage is completely wrong. I'm pretty sure what they want is equality.

I completely agree with Megan. Calling it a "domestic partnership" makes the union they are allowed inherently inferior - it's totally a "separate but equal" situation.

yayy! an intelligent person. :D

You are calling those people (including me) who believe homosexuality is immoral, stupid/dumb/unintelliegent.

So much for your call for fighting against favoritism/prejudice/and specifically name calling.

You have offended me , though you can probably say in the way back of your head (well this girl is stupid to not agreeing with homosexuality) but It wouldn't matter mainly because it would only make you a hypocrite.

How can you imagine a better place when you can't treat your classmate with as much respect as for your friends?

This doesn't go only for you but everyone including me.

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Wednesday 18th of November 2009 08:41:47 PM

Mdparamo78 · Senior Member

well i think people agree with this homosexuality is more moral argument because they have no idea what the collapse of the family unit in America will do. Ever look at the Roman Empire??? History is not pointless like many say. In fact history is repeating itself right now... Its just that pro-gay activists haven't seen it yet.