EDHS Contemporary World Affairs

JosephAmato · Senior Member

Play with Jesus as a gay man

alison abuhamad · Senior Member

a summmery would be nice....:)

JosephAmato · Senior Member

Well its such a small article I figured you could read it xD

alison abuhamad · Senior Member

and didnt this happen in like 1998??? so why should we be talking about it now?

JosephAmato · Senior Member

alison abuhamad wrote:

and didnt this happen in like 1998??? so why should we be talking about it now?

It happened in 1998, and it is happening again her in the OC, this Christmas.

DerChancellorJake · Guru

This is herecy and blasphemy! Why would they cast Jesus as a gay person? That is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. That must not really be a church or something, because any self respecting church i know of would never do that.

Kommandant_Karl · Guru

They must be burned at the stake! This is obviously not a real church.

jaquelynn16 · Senior Member

um this is very insulting and i really do not agree with this

artferrand · Senior Member

DerChancellorJake wrote:
This is herecy and blasphemy! Why would they cast Jesus as a gay person? That is the dumbest thing i have ever heard. That must not really be a church or something, because any self respecting church i know of would never do that.

I read about it and they are a church and thats really bad.

KamikazeBurger · Senior Member

alison abuhamad wrote:

a summmery would be nice....:)

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

I agree, insulting to me. Who would want to mess with Christ? i feel sorry for anyone who participates, they probably don't understand exactly who they are making fun of because if they did, they wouldn't have even have wanted to mock him in any way. What makes this different from when they mocked and spit on him on his way to be crucified?

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Thursday 12th of November 2009 06:27:16 PM

stephaniemarie · Guru

I am all for gays, I have nothing against them&do not like how they are always discriminated against, but this is just wrong. Jesus was never gay, so why should he be depicted that way? Nobody can say, "well, if Jesus were a gay man..." no, because Jesus was not&is not a gay man. Why turn him into something that he is not? What is this proving?

Yuuki R Bowen · Veteran Member

I really think that should not be a church it is a disgrace and they are speaking blasphemy! Jesus is not gay!

citlallycontreras · Senior Member

i dont think this is a bad idea it has a very good message.. i wanna watch this play!:)
its not accusig jesus of being gay its just sending a message of love. and hey u never know.. maybe jesus really was gay, nothing wrong with that haha

meganorr · Senior Member

They aren't saying Jesus was gay..we have normal people "play" Jesus when obviously NOBODY but him is holy enough. It should be a "blasphemy" for anybody to then.

Kommandant_Karl · Guru

This is a disgrace

JosephAmato · Senior Member

Jesus was NOT gay, he is not for homosexuallity, yes it is showing love, but in a false way. They are saying he is gay, thats the point to say he was a gay man. I dont understand why peopel think this is okay. that is sharing false information.

meganorr · Senior Member

they are not saying he is gay! omg.

JosephAmato · Senior Member

Kommandant_Karl wrote:

This is a disgrace

a BIG disgrace at that!

JosephAmato · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

they are not saying he is gay! omg.

then why did they make him a gay man in the play, that is simply stating he was. It is obvious

seanmichaeljreeves · Senior Member

Just one more way for same sex sympathizers to integrate tolerance of the homosexual mentality into aspects of society where the idea rightfully does not belong. In other words, the church has no right to play the role of activists for political causes, especially gay rights. Their prime focus is the written word of God, the preaching of the gospel, and the administering of the sacraments to their congregation. Through the act of hosting same sex marriages and same sex rallies, in their effort to supposedly "bridge the gap", the church of Foothills has indefinitely made a compromise that deserves condemnation from the highest power. In violation of the written word, the highest possible form of credo pertaining to the church, they have branded themselves as a force that is too illigitimate to be a true church.

meganorr · Senior Member

a gay man PLAYED his part. acting..... its not obvious actually. What do you think they made a Jesus wearing high heels parading around in some dress? nooo, it was just some guy ACTING. The man might have been gay, doesn't mean they were saying Jesus is.

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

they are not saying he is gay! omg.

Yes they are, yeah sure in a different time period, different guy. But we can all understand the hidden point.

JosephAmato · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

a gay man PLAYED his part. acting..... its not obvious actually. What do you think they made a Jesus wearing high heels parading around in some dress? nooo, it was just some guy ACTING. The man might have been gay, doesn't mean they were saying Jesus is.

YES! the are saying that JESUS is gay not the actor.

jaquelynn16 · Senior Member

stephaniemarie wrote:

I am all for gays, I have nothing against them&do not like how they are always discriminated against, but this is just wrong. Jesus was never gay, so why should he be depicted that way? Nobody can say, "well, if Jesus were a gay man..." no, because Jesus was not&is not a gay man. Why turn him into something that he is not? What is this proving?

i totally agree. i mean why would anyone do thia? it prooves nothing whatsoever all it is doing is angering more christians.

Kommandant_Karl · Guru

meganorr wrote:

they are not saying he is gay! omg.

Uh yes they are!

meganorr · Senior Member

uhh negative.

stephaniemarie · Guru

They are not saying that Jesus is gay, but in this play he is meant to be gay. Of course it is not the actual Jesus in the play, but in the play he is supossed to be gay and there is a message behind it.

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

a gay man PLAYED his part. acting..... its not obvious actually. What do you think they made a Jesus wearing high heels parading around in some dress? nooo, it was just some guy ACTING. The man might have been gay, doesn't mean they were saying Jesus is.

Okay the guy was gay, but the producers understood how "contreversial" it would be. If it did not matter if the man was gay or not then why did they present it? By the producers underlighting, highlighting, and bolding his homosexuality and then tagged it onto Christ's name is also disrespectful to me.

-- Edited by DiiDee66 on Thursday 12th of November 2009 06:51:44 PM

meganorr · Senior Member

haha kiddingg i read it wrong. you're right. :)

JosephAmato · Senior Member

"The play depicts Jesus as a gay man living in 1950s, Corpus Christi"
Says it right here!^

KingsFanAshley · Senior Member

Have any of you guys MET Jesus??? No one here has yet, no, so therefore there's no way to know exactly what his outlook on the situation.

DerChancellorJake · Guru

alison abuhamad wrote:

a summmery would be nice....:)

What more is there to say? Jesus was portrayed as a gay man in a church play.

meganorr · Senior Member

yes joseph i REALIZE that now. already said that.

Kommandant_Karl · Guru

alison abuhamad wrote:

a summmery would be nice....:)

Title says all

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

KingsFanAshley wrote:

Have any of you guys MET Jesus??? No one here has yet, no, so therefore there's no way to know exactly what his outlook on the situation.

I might have not met him physically, But I do know him personally.

citlallycontreras · Senior Member

KingsFanAshley wrote:

Have any of you guys MET Jesus??? No one here has yet, no, so therefore there's no way to know exactly what his outlook on the situation.

yes i completely agree :)

meganorr · Senior Member

How can you even say you know him personally. I really am just curious i don't understand that. DO you know his favorite color, food, animal, all that stuff like you do with close friends or people you know? What makes you "know" him besides prayer which is even more confusing because its a one way conversation. Curious...

JosephAmato · Senior Member

DiiDee66 wrote:

KingsFanAshley wrote:

Have any of you guys MET Jesus??? No one here has yet, no, so therefore there's no way to know exactly what his outlook on the situation.

I might have not met him physically, But I do know him personally.

EXCATLY! :) same here! :) Nicley put.

DiiDee66 · Senior Member

Of course we know his outlook, ho do we know him at all? The Bible. Now that may be difficult to understand if you don't believe in it, but his outlook is wrtitten plainly in that book.

stephaniemarie · Guru

meganorr wrote:

How can you even say you know him personally. I really am just curious i don't understand that. DO you know his favorite color, food, animal, all that stuff like you do with close friends or people you know? What makes you "know" him besides prayer which is even more confusing because its a one way conversation. Curious...

Yea, its like me sayingg I know you personally just because I read a book that has things you said and did. That does not mean I know you personally. it means I know SOME things you did in life and SOME things you said, but I do not know you personally. Yes, church is a place to get to know Jesus and learn about him, but I don't think anyone knows him personoally. The people who do know him personally are all dead now.

meganorr · Senior Member

But the bible was written by men, how do we REALLY know its Gods word, after all aren't all people full of sin? and you trust what they wrote down?

JosephAmato · Senior Member

stephaniemarie wrote:

meganorr wrote:

How can you even say you know him personally. I really am just curious i don't understand that. DO you know his favorite color, food, animal, all that stuff like you do with close friends or people you know? What makes you "know" him besides prayer which is even more confusing because its a one way conversation. Curious...

Yea, its like me sayingg I know you personally just because I read a book that has things you said and did. That does not mean I know you personally. it means I know SOME things you did in life and SOME things you said, but I do not know you personally. Yes, church is a place to get to know Jesus and learn about him, but I don't think anyone knows him personoally. The people who do know him personally are all dead now.

Thats a good way to put it. :)

meganorr · Senior Member

stephaniemarie wrote:

meganorr wrote:

How can you even say you know him personally. I really am just curious i don't understand that. DO you know his favorite color, food, animal, all that stuff like you do with close friends or people you know? What makes you "know" him besides prayer which is even more confusing because its a one way conversation. Curious...

Yea, its like me sayingg I know you personally just because I read a book that has things you said and did. That does not mean I know you personally. it means I know SOME things you did in life and SOME things you said, but I do not know you personally. Yes, church is a place to get to know Jesus and learn about him, but I don't think anyone knows him personoally. The people who do know him personally are all dead now.

yea, you may know some stuff that was written about him but personally? I think thats poor diction.

JosephAmato · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

But the bible was written by men, how do we REALLY know its Gods word, after all aren't all people full of sin? and you trust what they wrote down?

They were his disiples and they witnessed what happened. and they wrote it all dopne. Yes it has been proven to be right.

citlallycontreras · Senior Member

DiiDee66 wrote:

Of course we know his outlook, ho do we know him at all? The Bible. Now that may be difficult to understand if you don't believe in it, but his outlook is wrtitten plainly in that book.

i dont think the bible is a very reliable source to know what jesus was really like, thers no "book of jesus" in ther. its just his friends writing down what they remember about him, and the new testament was written years after jesus died, how do u know the disciples remember everything clearly?

JosephAmato · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

stephaniemarie wrote:

meganorr wrote:

How can you even say you know him personally. I really am just curious i don't understand that. DO you know his favorite color, food, animal, all that stuff like you do with close friends or people you know? What makes you "know" him besides prayer which is even more confusing because its a one way conversation. Curious...

Yea, its like me sayingg I know you personally just because I read a book that has things you said and did. That does not mean I know you personally. it means I know SOME things you did in life and SOME things you said, but I do not know you personally. Yes, church is a place to get to know Jesus and learn about him, but I don't think anyone knows him personoally. The people who do know him personally are all dead now.

yea, you may know some stuff that was written about him but personally? I think thats poor diction.

We know him personally in a different way then you know your friends, or your family.

meganorr · Senior Member

Some historical events have been proven, but not God or that everything in the bible is true. Umm..wasn't most of the bible written not by his disciples but long after he was dead?

citlallycontreras · Senior Member

JosephAmato wrote:

stephaniemarie wrote:

meganorr wrote:

How can you even say you know him personally. I really am just curious i don't understand that. DO you know his favorite color, food, animal, all that stuff like you do with close friends or people you know? What makes you "know" him besides prayer which is even more confusing because its a one way conversation. Curious...

Yea, its like me sayingg I know you personally just because I read a book that has things you said and did. That does not mean I know you personally. it means I know SOME things you did in life and SOME things you said, but I do not know you personally. Yes, church is a place to get to know Jesus and learn about him, but I don't think anyone knows him personoally. The people who do know him personally are all dead now.

Thats a good way to put it. :)

yea i agree with both of you, very good way to put it :)

seanmichaeljreeves · Senior Member

meganorr wrote:

they are not saying he is gay! omg.

They are raising the question: "why not?" Although its not essentially the same thing, the statement that "its possible that he was gay." or "Why cant he be gay?" is therefore alluding to belief that theres a chance that he was. They are purposely depicting him as a gay man to be controversial and throw the question out to people:

"And he's (James Brandon) is curious to see the reaction in a conservative county that voted against same-sex marriage."

"This is just another opportunity to introduce who we are as a Christian church," Carr said. "If it takes something controversial to do that, we're willing to do it to get the attention so then we can talk to people."

"You're able to not only share something through your art, but you're also telling a story and sharing through activism. " - James Brandon

One thing makes this wrong is that they are mixing theology with purely political and irrelevant pop cultural issues, which is not in the confines of the church to do. ("The show touches on religion, the political system and civil rights,...")

Also, they contradict themselves in two ways:
1. They claim ""We're not at all saying this is what we think Jesus was, or this is what we believe." yet they portray Jesus as an openly gay man on purpose and raise the question "Why not?"

2. Even more importantly, they contradict themselves as a christian church, claiming "This is just another opportunity to introduce who we are as a Christian church," but promoting something that is outright contradictory with the Bible.