A Polish court has awarded $11,000 in damages to a woman compared to a child killer by a Catholic magazine for wanting an abortion. Alicja Tysiac had been warned by doctors when she became pregnant that she could go blind if she had her baby. She was denied an abortion which is illegal in most cases in Poland and her eyesight consequently deteriorated. The article also compared abortion to the experiments of Nazi war criminals at Auschwitz. Ms. Tysiac's sight problems grew worse following the births of each of her three children. Acting on medical advice, she decided to have an abortion when she became pregnant for a third time eight years ago but her gynecologist refused to perform the procedure.The European Court of Human Rights ordered Poland to pay Ms. Tysiac $25,000 in compensation two years ago.
The Catholic magazine wrote that she had been compensated for wanting to kill her child.The magazine's editor-in-chief, Father Marek Gancarczyk, said the ruling was unfair and denied comparing Ms Tysiac to Nazi criminals. His lawyers said they would use the principle of freedom of speech to appeal against the court's verdict. to read more to go: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8271895.stm Do you think the magazine was in the wrong? Is the woman wrong for wanting an abortion? Should she have been allowed to receive an abortion since it is endangering her health?
-- Edited by Brenna on Thursday 24th of September 2009 05:47:11 PM
I believe that the woman should have been allowed to get the abortion seeing it as it was endangering her health and her ability to see and I believe that shouldn't be compared to Nazi criminals for wanting to be able to see.
Im against abortion and I like that Its illegal in Poland and i think she shouldnt have gotten pregnant in the first place knowing that she was getting ill each time
-- Edited by artferrand on Thursday 24th of September 2009 06:09:19 PM
I am pro-choice, but only under certain circumstances. Considering it affected the mother's well being for the rest of her life, she should have been permitted to terminate the pregnancy. With her new blindness, it would be very difficult for her to raise an infant, and it would more than likely live a very challenging life anyway.
Although I may sound like a complete jerk, I do not believe the catholic magazine was going too far in comparing abortion to Nazi experiments in Auschwitz. After all, abortion is the decision to terminate the potential if not actual life of a human being based on one person's subjective determination of whether they should be allowed to live or not. The Third reich held the same point of view concerning those who did not match the standards of the "Perfect Aryan Race."
This is not the childs fault for being concieved. It is the woman's fault for opening her legs and the fact that the labor is a detriment to her health is something she should live with. Her actions are selfish and irresponsible.
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i totally agree. Abortion kills babies that are already living. After 3 days from conception, the baby already has a heartbeat. If she knew she was going to slowly lose her sight after each birth, she should not get pregnant. Its that simple. The baby should not be killed for her poor actions and decisions. Good job Poland for making it illegal.
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Although I may sound like a complete jerk, I do not believe the catholic magazine was going too far in comparing abortion to Nazi experiments in Auschwitz. After all, abortion is the decision to terminate the potential if not actual life of a human being based on one person's subjective determination of whether they should be allowed to live or not. The Third reich held the same point of view concerning those who did not match the standards of the "Perfect Aryan Race."
This is not the childs fault for being concieved. It is the woman's fault for opening her legs and the fact that the labor is a detriment to her health is something she should live with. Her actions are selfish and irresponsible.
power to you. i know it may sound terrible saying this, but i really like the idea of abortion being illegal there. i mean, it's still a life. the department of health, i remember, said something about when the sperm hits the egg it's considered a person. the baby did nothing, and for someone who KNOWS her eyesight was going to go bad and still got pregnant? come on, it's irresponsible and she's just trying to get out an easy way. it makes me really sad when i hear about people getting abortions because the baby did nothing and they're getting the ultimate punishment, dying. but anyways, it's wrong with what that woman did,knowing her eyesight deteriorates everytime she has a baby.
I am completely pro choice. And i am going to be very bold her when i say i think the catholic magazine and church in general is INSANE. I disagree with the majority of her beliefs, and i do NOT beleive an abortion is killing a baby. The whole point of an abortion is to get rid of the baby before it is living. I guess it all depends on where your point of view is on where life begins and where it doesnt. But this woman's health was effected by it, and people make mistakes all the time. So what? Not to mention i'd like to point out that the catholic church (becuase it is christian) preaches the bible. In acts ch 1 and 2 it talks about not judging other people. What exactly is the catholic church doing right now?? Can you say hypocrites??
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I would like to correct myself. I meant Romans not acts ^ My bad.
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^ " i do NOT beleive an abortion is killing a baby. The whole point of an abortion is to get rid of the baby before it is living. "
You contradict yourself by calling it a baby because a baby is a living thing...in my opinion Abortion is murder. Simply because a fetus cannot survive on its own does not make it a lesser human being. It has and develops the same parts as any other person, correct? Soooo, if a person can not survive without life support, pulling the plug is murder? The majority of abortions do not occur because of rape, incest, all the things that pro-choicers claim it should be used for. More than 98% of abortions are performed because of unwanted pregnancies, basically people being too irresponsible to take care of themselves. If you don't want a child, DON'T have unprotected sex! Plain and simple, you can not disregard a baby's life because you decide it's not the right time. If it wasn't the right time, why did you have sex? No one has ever answered THAT question yet...just admit that you were irresponsible and your not adult enough to live up to your obligations.
well think of it this way... if you would go blind if you kept the child would you keep it? i dont think anyone can understand the full effects of being blind until they experience it. it would completely change your life forever and make everyday living extremely difficult. also considering that men are not the ones that actually have the child and are not the ones dealing with the effects of it i think it is easier for them to call abortion murder. if you were in that womens shoes i dont quite think you'd have the same point of view.
-- Edited by Brenna on Saturday 26th of September 2009 07:38:51 PM
that men dont have the child and dont have to deal with it doesnt make any difference...abortion is MURDER. and that women has no excusses because she had problems with her 3 previus children or whatever so its not like she didnt know something bad might happend if she got pregnant again.
ok.. i believe abortion is murder, all life has its early beginnings and no matter how early in the pregnancy a woman decides to hav an abortion, its murder. i think this woman was being completely selfish. if she knew her health was in danger if she got pregnant, she shouldnt have had sex, or at least unprotected sex, in the first place. there is never an excsuse to take someones life away. as for the magazine, they were right, although they took it too far with the nazi comment
^ " i do NOT beleive an abortion is killing a baby. The whole point of an abortion is to get rid of the baby before it is living. "
You contradict yourself by calling it a baby because a baby is a living thing...in my opinion Abortion is murder. Simply because a fetus cannot survive on its own does not make it a lesser human being. It has and develops the same parts as any other person, correct? Soooo, if a person can not survive without life support, pulling the plug is murder? The majority of abortions do not occur because of rape, incest, all the things that pro-choicers claim it should be used for. More than 98% of abortions are performed because of unwanted pregnancies, basically people being too irresponsible to take care of themselves. If you don't want a child, DON'T have unprotected sex! Plain and simple, you can not disregard a baby's life because you decide it's not the right time. If it wasn't the right time, why did you have sex? No one has ever answered THAT question yet...just admit that you were irresponsible and your not adult enough to live up to your obligations.
If you would have read my entire argument you would have noticed after that i wrote " I guess it all depends on where you believe life begins and where it doesn't" As far as unprotected sex goes, Condoms break!! Sometimes even using birth control or condoms doesn't work. They are only 99% effective so even if a person is being responsible there is room for error. Not to mention all around the world sexual education isn'texactly taught very well in my opinion. There are kids out there who dont hear anything about sexual education until 9th or 10th grade and sometimes that's too late. Not only that, but a person should have a right to choose what is best for themself. Let's say you're right, an abortion is murder in god's eyes. Well then that is between that person and god. But because it can not be proven and it is only opinion for now it is no one's right to judge this woman.
As far as statistics go, well i have some statistics too. World wide there are about 42 million abortions per year. In the US there are about 1.3 million abortions per year. Say we made abortion illegal and everyone had that many babies per year. The majority would go for adoption... how many of those babies do you think would be left with out a home because there would not be enough people to want to take care of them. Adoption agencies would be completely overwhelmed. There's already too many people in foster cares and such as it is. And alot of the teenagers would be droping out of school or going to school pregnant. Everyone knows that going to school as a pregnant teen would be hell for how many people would judge you and talk about you. (even people who disagree with abortion would judge pregnant teens for getting pregnant in the first place) Which supports my previous point of sexual education not being good enough in schools. The leading country for abortion is Asia. Due to overcrowding in their country they have to have abortions in order to keep the population down because there's not enough room or food for that many more people. That's fine if you think abortion is wrong but you really have no right to judge me (cause it really sounded like you were) on the fact i can see a positive side in abortion or because i don't think it's wrong.
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The only truly responsible thing to do is to NOT HAVE SEX. And as far as a baby's life goes, i consider anything with a heartbeat living. After three days, the fetus already has a heartbeat. It is living. When an abortion is performed, it kills the baby. I still even think that the baby is living when the egg meets with a sperm. If they are not prepared for a baby, or don't want a baby, then again i'll say... DON'T HAVE SEX! Its that simple, and in your mind you can rationalize murder however you want, but when you die, you will be answering for any possible abortions you may have had. And i even have a few statistics of my own: Over 68,000 women a year die from botched abortions. 5 million more develop complications or infections. And as many as 19 million unsafe abortions are taking place annually. Thats a lot of opportunity for even more death. So not only are babies being thoughtlessly murdered, the moms are also having a chance of dying. Again, if someone does not want a baby, then they should not have sex. Hopefully this is the last time i will have to say this.
-- Edited by MrsCavalluzzi on Friday 9th of October 2009 08:36:49 PM
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Abortion is a way for women to stop the pregnancy before the baby is actually a living being. Nevertheless, I still believe that abortion is wrong. It doesn't take that long for the baby to develop, therefore either way you will be killing the baby. If you don't want to have a baby then don't have sex. It is that simple. Everybody knows that there is always a chance of getting pregnant, whether you use birth control and condoms or not. It is a huge responsibilty to take on and if people cannot accept it then they should not havehad sex. This woman was wrong for putting herself before her baby. Yes, she would become blind, but at least she would still be alive, as oppose to the baby who would never get a chance to live. I think this woman was being selfish.
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i think a woman should be able to choose, unless you are the person wanting the abortion the circumstances are unclear to you. everyone makes mistakes and do things they regret. i do not necessarily think abortion is right but then i don't think its wrong in every case either. in some cases i think an abortion is the right thing to do. and in this case i believe she was trying to do the right thing, if she went blind how well would she be able to take care of her other 2 children? yes she probably should have been more careful but mistakes happen.
